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General Discussion / Chapter 1: Kristin
« Last post by jjveale on March 21, 2012, 05:43:57 pm »
 
1. How did theme(s) of this chapter touch you personally?
     This chapter opened some wounds that I often struggle to ignore. I don’t have children so it is difficult to identify with her with the loss of a child. However, I have asked myself the same types of questions and experienced the same doubt I don’t know how many times.  I struggled with fear all my life. Paralyzing fear. For reasons that I am still dealing with, I always saw life as full of wonderful and amazing things that would always be taken away from you at a moments notice because you were not worthy of them to begin with. I grew up in a Christian home and knew instinctively that God is good. But inside I think I thought that God was good only to good little boys and girls and I did not believe I was one of them. If I was a good girl then why did those bad things happen to me when I was little? If I was good then why did that horrible trend continue through my teens years and into my adult life?  If God loves me so much why can’t I love myself? Why can't I do the things that I know I should do? Why do I sabotage myself with sin? How can I trust God when terrible things keep happening when I do let go?
And worst of all, does thinking all this and wondering mean I am not a Christian and am destined for hell?
 
2. Direct our attention to at least one quote – why did this stand out to you?
“If I’m ruthlessly honest, I may have said yes to God, yes to Christianity, but really, I have lived the no.” (pg. 10)  In being equally honest with myself, this sentence sums up my spiritual life to date.  I think for me, Christianity has been a social thing. I always felt more connected when I could share my faith with a group. But the moment I was on my own, the doubt and fear would set in.  I thought when I was younger this was because I just didn’t know how to be a Christian and needed others to teach me how to be one.  I recognize now that the groups I was in served two purposes for me. I wanted those groups to give me the feeling of acceptance and love that I was desperately seeking. If that didn’t work, they served as a distraction.  When I was surrounded by people, I didn’t have to think about all the things about myself that I hated and all the things I was afraid of.
“Just that maybe… maybe you don’t want to change the story, because you don’t know what a different ending holds.” (pg. 14) This hit me hard.  I spend a large part of my life wishing things were different. I lost hours and days daydreaming about how different my life could be “if only”.  It was only a year or so ago that I began to look at life realizing that, if even one event had been different, the outcome would have been vastly affected. My life right now is an incredible blessing. It has been a very difficult road getting here but I am learning to be very thankful for all of it, even the horrific moments. After all, if those things had not happened, I would not be where I am today. It reminds me to continue to be thankful for everything at all times
 
3. Do you think Voskamp is being realistic in challenging us to live an “empty, full” life? Does that make sense to you? Why or why not?
Trusting that completely scares the living daylights out of me.  Trusting someone else means I could be wrong in my choice. It would mean another failure or another loss.  Failure and loss are terrifying. So terrifying that in the past, I would rather not to anything at all than fail at something.  While that part of me has grown and improved, the fear is still there. Losing something I love is even worse.  I am often afraid that trusting God means automatically losing what I love. I become afraid and the fear paralyzes so I do nothing. I  simply exist.
 
4. Did you disagree with anything in the chapter? Why?
I’ve not found anything in particular I disagree with.  Her questions mirror many of my own.
 
5. Please give at least one item that your mind keeps going back to from this chapter. Does it encourage you to take action in any way?
 “How do I wake up to joy and grace and beauty and all that is the fullest life when I must stay numb to losses and crushed dreams and all that empties me out?”... "For years we all silently ask these questions. For years, we come up empty. And over the years, we fill again - with estrangement. We live with our hands clenched tight." (pg. 7) My thoughts exactly. How????? When you have spent a lifetime protecting yourself, how do you let your guard down?  When you see a pattern of pain and disappointment in your life, how do you change your perception of things to come? When I was in high school, I was **** and beaten by my first boyfriend. It left me reeling and shut down a large part of me. I felt hollow, cold and alone. I became more self conscious and more needy. I know I drove my friends nuts. I feel immense sympathy for anyone who has had to deal with that side of me over the past 14 years. I was silent about the whole thing for years. It formed unhealthy patterns. I carried those habits and pain into my marriage. I got married in 2007 to a man that I truly believed God wanted me to be with. He said and did all the things I wanted to hear from a future husband.  He portrayed love, repentance, thirst for knowledge of God and the desire to be my protector. Almost immediately after our wedding things changed. He seemed to have changed overnight. Day 3 of our honeymoon I spent the night on the couch crying myself to sleep and wondering what I had gotten myself in to. Words of love had turned into harsh criticism. Instead of being a wife I became a makeover project – something ugly that desperately needed to be fixed in order to be of any use. If I am honest, I will admit there were red flags in the beginning of our relationship that I ignored. I was so desperate for a knight in shining armor that I wasn’t willing to look at those signs for what they were. I threw myself into him with all my baggage wanting him to make everything all right. But I wanted him to make everything better. I wanted him to fix everything that was broken. It wasn’t fair of me. What I was asking of him was the impossible. There is no one who could have healed me apart from God and I was the only one who could deal with my pain. I also didn’t realize that he had his own pain that he wanted me to heal. When I wasn’t able to, he felt angry and betrayed as well.  His reaction was to withhold love and acceptance. My reaction was to spend much of my time insulating my heart and mind inside the safe place in my head and withdraw. The more he criticized the more I retreated. When he needed me to be a loving and supporting wife, I was mentally and emotionally absent. I didn’t honestly know how to be any different, but it was hurting him. Things got progressively worse after we moved to Iowa. He told me daily that he felt he made a mistake marrying me.  I believed I was worthless and I retreated further into my head to escape the pain. I didn’t know enough about why I was the way I was to ask for help. I just saw myself as fatally flawed. It was an exhausting and empty cycle. To make things worse, almost two years into our marriage, I had an affair with an old boyfriend. I felt horrible immediately. I didn’t say anything for a month but I felt convicted every day. Finally I broke and I told my husband absolutely everything. I didn’t expect forgiveness or even a calm reaction. But I didn’t expect him to hurt me. He immediately became the very thing I was most afraid of and hated. I was locked in my bedroom and **** for three days. Everything that remained in my world shattered. The worst part was not the forced sex. The worst part was hearing myself agreeing with all the things he said. I was a ****. I was no good. I was worthless. I deserved all of this. I deserved to die. I wasn’t worth the breath I was breathing.  And I truly believed every word. I believed that, because of what I did, all of this was just and fair punishment.  I prayed that I would die. I deserved to die for what I had done to him and what I had done to God.
The positive thing was that being broken to the point of wishing for death left me vulnerable to God. Some close Christian friends intervened and were get us out of the house and into some counseling.  I was beyond broken. I wanted to make things right with God and with my husband, if he would let me.  For 8 months, I poured myself into my Bible, church and my marriage. At the end of those months, my husband and I split and divorced. My marriage and my divorce left me numb.  I carry invisible scars from all that had happened, heaped on top of scars that have been there from many years before. God has picked up the pieces and helped me learn to live again. He taught me that pain is a part of life and something we can survive. God does some of his best work when we are at our worst. My view of God is very much of a loving and forgiving God.  I can see that very clearly. Especially after all He has blessed me with even after all I’ve done. But the numbness remains. I feel God beside me but I have not been connecting with him. I am learning to recognize that I am still afraid to connect. I know for sure that God wants to bless my life. I know He has a plan for me. I don’t truly know how to accept that kind of love, forgiveness and grace. I don’t fully trust it. I go through life believing that God is just waiting to dish out the punishment to end all punishments for my sin. How does that make any sense?! That is what I want to learn. I am my own worst enemy when it comes to my relationship with God. I am the barricade between what He wants for me and where I am at. How can I turn off the numb? How do I trust the way I need to? He loves me so much and wants to fill that emptiness! Even as He blesses me now I find myself fearful. How do I accept it?
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General Discussion / Introductions and three things: Kristin
« Last post by jjveale on March 21, 2012, 05:43:22 pm »
Hello all! My name is Kristin Schmuecker and I live in Riverside, Iowa (future birthplace of Captain Kirk and celebration ground of multitudes of Trekkies. The Force apparently is not with us Riverside folks but we will "live long and prosper".)

What I'm doing with my time: I am currently a full-time Nursing student. Campus is in Ottumwa which is a three hour round trip from where I live so I spend much of my time driving to and from classes and clinicals. The rest of that time is spent studying. It has become a full-time job. But the upside is that I will achieve my RN license and Bachelor's Degree in Nursing in two years.


3 things I think about: Finances - I quit working so I could achieve my degree in two years vs. five years. Being down to one income terrifies me but my husband is taking it all in stride. He has taken an additional job in order to help supplement some of my income and is taking on responsibilities around the house. The man is a gem! 
School -  the nursing program I am in is accelerated and competitive. For example, anything less than 79.5% is a fail. If you want to get A's, you have to get 95% or higher. Average test scores from the 68 students has been around 80% - barely passing. Little margin for error with this program. There is a TON of studying to do in order to prepare for the tests and even with studying the tests are difficult. I am typically a great student but these courses are making me sweat. 
Health - my Dad has heart problems and Type II diabetes that were diagnosed when his brother died a few years ago. I just recently had a large tumor removed from my right breast. The tumor was benign, thankfully, but the lab results indicated tissue changes that have greatly increased my risk for breast cancer. Diet and lifestyle changes are needed and we will need to keep a close eye on it.

3 things I'm thankful for: My husband- He is amazingly supportive of me in every aspect and loves me unconditionally. I never knew relationships like this existed and I am so thankful for him! My parents- They are the most loving and caring people I know. They have blessed me more than I can every articulate. Second chances and grace- I have made a mess of my life more times than I can count and yet God continues to bless me. It leaves me in awe.

3 things I want to get out of this discussion: The biggest thing for me is to learn how to reconnect with God in a way that is uniquely mine. I grew up in a Christian home and spent most of my life in church. I am starting to wonder whether or not I believe in certain things because I have always been taught them or if I believe from personal experience and connection. And more than anything I just want to learn how to stop everything and just spend time with God without distractions. I have forgotten how to do that. I have allowed life to successfully engage my attention elsewhere and that HAS to change.

Initial impression: I'm with JJ on this. I am not a fan of her writing style.  I want raw information and blunt honesty. The author is too flowery for me. I'm being convicted to look past the words and at the meaning. On the other side of the coin, I am excited about discussing this with so many people I don't know. It feels good to get plugged in to something.

For those of you with a Kindle or Nook, I got mine for $9.99 on my Nook.
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General Discussion / Introductions and three things: Sabrina
« Last post by jjveale on March 21, 2012, 05:42:41 pm »
Hello to everyone! My name is Sabrina Hay, and I live in Bartlesville, Ok with my hubs, Jeff, and our four children (6, 4, 18 mos., and 18 mos.). I homeschool our oldest kiddo, Emma, and try to keep the other three from tearing down the house. :)

3 things I think about: parenting with a God focus and not a me focus, allowing God to chisel away the ugly in my life, and using both of these to impact the people around me

3 things I am thankful for: the way my sons smile and giggle each morning as I get them up; the growth I've seen in my extremely strong willed, first born daughter (and her mom) this year; and a husband who loves me unconditionally (I didn't mention that I was thankful for my stinky second born, but I am thankful for her too! ;o))

3 things I want to get out of this discussion: how to find the thanks in the mundane and the pain

Initial Impression: This is where I go a different direction than my love, JJ! ;o) I am currently reading this book for a second time, and I LOVE, LOVE Voskamp's writing style! I know it takes a lot of peeling and patience to get to the meat of her allegories and examples at times; however, I have so enjoyed seeing life through her eyes. I enjoy peeling back the layers and seeing what God has brought to her heart. I have other friends who tire of her writing as well, but the information truly can be life impacting if we search for what God has for us on each page. The first chapter is excruciating. There is no question to that. Despite the intense first chapter and the unpopular writing style, I am excited to hear what God lays on your hearts!
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General Discussion / Introductions and three things: Kaylee
« Last post by jjveale on March 21, 2012, 05:41:27 pm »
Hey! My name is Kaylee Neill and I live in Galveston, TX with my husband Calvin.  We graduated in May, got married in June, moved here in July, and got my first "official" job in August =)
 
3 things I think About: 1) My marriage and our families.  We haven't been married long, but it seems like forever! (in a good way) People ask and I say it feels like we've been together forever because it truly has been wonderful.  We met in college and I'm grateful that our wonderful friendship grew into a wonderful marriage.  I think about family constantly because most of ours is so far away.  Colorado, Oklahoma, South Dakota... all too far from Texas (and Arizona, non-blood family =)) 2) Our job- both Cal and I are teaching at a low-income sort-of charter school in a poor part of the island.  It's incredibly rewarding, but incredibly draining. 3) Future, Where we will be in the near and far future and what our family will look like.

3 things I'm thankful for: 1) My husband! Great guy, friend, and supporter.  It's been a great 9 months of marriage, but difficult circumstances at times makes me more grateful than ever that I am now a Neill with him by my side.  2) My family-love them and couldn't do life without them.  3) My job, we're very grateful for an income, great people to work with, and fun kids, even through the ups and downs of having 20+ little friends from 7:30-5 every day, whew! 
3 things I want to get out of this discussion:  1) Reading time 2) Different impressions from people (haha adult conversation, with 7-8 year olds all day, I don't get much) 3) a new challenge
 
Initial Impression: I also don't have my book but it should be here soon.  My first thoughts were only through JJ.  The "I read the first chapter and hated it" didn't help, but I'm willing to persevere through because if someone I admire so much and love her imput was challenged by this book, I'm definitely intrigued to try =)
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General Discussion / Introductions and three things: Elena
« Last post by jjveale on March 21, 2012, 05:40:58 pm »
Hi, my name is Elena Richardson. I'm currently living in Sacramento, CA. What I am doing with my time right now includes watching Friends, applying for jobs, and going to interviews. I'm taking some time off from school to get my finances in order.

3 Things I think About: Money and trying to get my life under control, going back to school and finishing my degree in the most affordable way, and trying to be an example of God to my family.

3 Things I'm Thankful for: my dad who has been incredibly supportive of me while I'm turning my life upside down, prayer, and books because reading is a huge outlet for me :)

3 Things I Want to Get Out of this Discussion: I'm not sure what I want to get out of this discussion yet. Maybe a sense of community which is what I think I am missing most while being at home.

Initial Impressions: Well, I've read the first chapter of the book and quite honestly didn't really enjoy it. Her writing style doesn't strike me as...good? I need to find a better word. But I am going to keep reading and see if she changes my mind.
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General Discussion / Introductions and three things: Coralee
« Last post by jjveale on March 21, 2012, 05:40:01 pm »
I'm Coralee Norris.  I live in Flagstaff, AZ.

What's crammed into my time:  I homeschool 2 of my 3 sons ages 6, 4, & 18 months.  I also spend my days doing everyday mom stuff (cooking meals, cleaning the house, grocery shopping, playing with my kids, mending holes in pants, organizing, planning for school, cleaning the house again, etc.) 
 
Top 3 things on my mind:  1) How to best teach, discipline and train my boys  2) How to balance all the responsibilities and still have a few moments to spend reading the Bible and praying 3) Whether or not to add one more child to our lovely family

My 3 biggest blessings: 1) My husband and my kids 2) My family back home in Montana 3) Friends here in Flagstaff

What I want from this Group:  I hope to grow closer to the Lord, and learn to rely on him no matter what the circumstances are.  I hope to gain a deeper understanding of His grace and love.

My first impression:  Interesting writing.  I'll go ahead and say it right now... I am an emotional person, and I cried through the first chapter.   
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General Discussion / Introductions and three things: Roxanne
« Last post by jjveale on March 21, 2012, 05:39:24 pm »
I'm Roxanne Boyce.  I live in Owasso, Oklahoma.  I drive 45 minutes everyday to my hometown of Bartlesville to teach Math to around 100 6th graders.  They are so much fun, but such a challenge sometimes.  This is my first year teaching and so far I love it.  I'm not sure I will still be saying that after the next three weeks of reviewing for the state test.  I got married over Fall Break (October 21, 2011) and now that it is Spring Break I am finally on my honeymoon in Colorado.  My husband is in school now taking Science courses for either a degree in nursing and then to be a nurse practitioner or med school.  It's still up for debate currently.  He is studying at the moment which is why I pulled out my computer to find lots of emails.  I better start to catch up before I get too far behind.
 
What's crammed into my time: Being a first year teacher and now with a commute of 45 minutes each way I usually have enough energy to teach, plan for the next day, make dinner maybe a movie and then to bed. 
 
Top 3 things on my mind: (1) My husband and how to get him through school and yet still pay the bills (2) Teaching-there are always lessons to plan or papers to grade (3) How to keep my blood sugar from going to high.  I found out two years ago I have type 1 diabetes and currently would like to forget it, but my body doesn't.  My husband has had some stomach issues lately and with my blood sugar being higher than I like we are about to start the Paleo diet.  We are hoping to find recipes that will help us both achieve what we need to to stay healthy.

My 3 biggest blessings: (1) I have a very loving and supportive family (2) My husband puts up with me and helps me stay focused on what is important (3) I got a teaching job doing exactly what I wanted to do and I have the best mentor I could ever have asked for.  I just hope that I can keep up with the commute or find a job I like just as much 

What I want from this Group: (1) to feel a part of a group.  It has been a challenge to get plugged in anywhere when I barely have enough energy to drive to work and back.  Having been in sports and then always close to friends at college, I miss being a part of a community. (2) I'm not the best reader so I'm excited to share ideas with others and see what others get out of the book I'm reading.  I do so much better discussing things than doing it on my own. (3) to find out what this book is about...:) i haven't done my background work to find out much about it.

No initial impressions since I've been away enjoying the mountains and somebody else cooking food for me, making my bed, and delivering chocolate covered strawberries every night.  Don't worry I'll be back to reality real soon.
 
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General Discussion / Introductions and three things: Heather
« Last post by jjveale on March 21, 2012, 05:38:29 pm »
I'm Heather.  I live in tiny, little Colby, WI.  It is the town where I grew up.  We bought my grandmother's house after she died, almost 4 years ago.  It has been interesting to be back in my hometown (where everyone knows everyone) after being gone for 12 years.  I have been married for almost 8 years.  We have a 6 year old boy and a one year old boy.  I don't home school or use cloth diapers.  Not because I'm lazy, but because I believe that things like Kindergarten and Pampers were invented specifically to make my life easier.  And kindergarten teachers have taught six year olds before, so I will defer to their expertise. 

What's crammed into my time:  Well, for the next two weeks, I will still have a job.  I work as a medical assistant at a large medical complex.  Last week I turned in my resignation because I realized that I can't work for someone who puts policies and procedures ahead of people.  It was a tough decision because I like my job and the people I work WITH, but the woman I work FOR made a decision that I had to respond to.  I felt that if I didn't resign, I would be letting everyone know that I approved of the way she treated me.  I also work as a volunteer EMT, which is the best job ever!  I absolutely love being a part of pre-hospital care and helping people.  My two boys also take up a lot of my time.  My older son is at the point where he is starting to get into different activities...and begging to be allowed to take karate.  And, I'll be starting nursing school in August (pending the official acceptance letter).

Top 3 things on my mind: 1) Money.  quitting my job was a decision that needed to be made, but it is going to be nearly impossible for us to pay our bills without my income.  And somehow, we need to come up with the money for my tuition and school related costs.  I stress out...mostly because I am a saver and I married a spender.  2) My kids.  We are experimenting with some medication with our older child.  he has some hyperactivity issues that cause him to be a distraction in school and to push my husband and I to our wit's end.  Our younger child has some respiratory issues that also require medication.  3)  My marriage.  We need work.

My 3 biggest blessings: 1) My kids.  I love those little monsters.  2)  My health.  I am ramping up my training for another half marathon next month.  I love running.  It is my sanity saver.  It is how I process stress.  I feel so blessed to be able to run and to share it with my family.  And hopefully, I can run a personal best time in my half marathon and choose a marathon to run this fall.  3) It really should be easier to come up with only 3 blessings, but when I have a lot on my mind (like I do right now), I don't always feel as blessed as I should.

What I want from this Group: I like the idea of going through a book together.  And an online format means that it isn't another thing that I have to add to my calendar.  I'm sure you ladies won't mind if I post my thoughts in the middle of the night, rather than getting together with you all at Starbucks or something.  :-)  That is why I have never joined a book club.  Honestly, the other thing that I want is perspective from other women going through (roughly) the same life stage.  Sometimes, life is tough.  You have to make difficult decisions.  It is great to have other people to weigh in and offer their opinions.

My only other comment is that we should consider extending the deadline for Chapter 1.  I just read about this group about 20 minutes ago.  I know that I am not the only one who doesn't have the book.  I am going to have to call the local libraries to see if they have it.  If not, I'll have to order from Amazon (I live in a very small town...the closest book store is about an hour away).  That being said, I don't know if I'll have the book in time to prepare for next Sunday's deadline for chapter one.   Just my thoughts.
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General Discussion / Introductions and three things: Jessica
« Last post by jjveale on March 21, 2012, 05:36:45 pm »
Hello all!  My name is Jessica, and I live in Kansas City (on the Missouri side, in case you're wondering.  And yes, that's the better side in case anyone asks).

What's crammed into my time: My husband, Zach, and I will be married for 3 years this June.  I work full-time as the Assistant Manger at Ritz Camera & Image, have my own professional photography business (JK Images), and enjoy serving at our church, Cornerstone Wesleyan.

Top 3 things on my mind: (1) Our budget-finding more ways to save, save, save for everything, pay off our undergraduate loans faster, and not take out student loans for Zach's graduate work (2) Our future in general-where we'll live, how we'll raise our children, what kind of home we'll purchase, etc. (3) Photography!  I'm always running poses, backgrounds, new ideas, unique angles, and ways to market myself through my mind.

My 3 biggest blessings: (1) God's grace, his gift of the Holy Spirit, and his ultimate blessing of His presence in my life (2) My husband-he genuinely cares for me and strives to find new ways to love me (3) Being able to go to a job that I love every day.  I am constantly learning more about photography, equipment, and love being able to dapple with it 5 days a week :)

What I want from this Group: (1) to force myself to read more instead of watching TV shows online (I hate reading, so this is a big step for me!) (2) To gain life lessons or thought-provoking ideas in which I can incorporate into my daily life (3) All the different angles and viewpoints everyone will have from reading the same book

I'm still waiting for my book to come in the mail...so currently my only initial thought is, "What's this book even about?" JJ, looks like it was worth it to pay a little more so you could at least have it on time! :)
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General Discussion / Introductions and three things: Mindy
« Last post by jjveale on March 21, 2012, 05:36:09 pm »
Hi, Ladies,

My name is Mindy and I live in Sedona, Az.

Here's a little about me and my craziness. I too am married to a great man, Josh. Josh is a firefighter and so life is always on a rotating schedule, which makes things interesting. I am homeschooling two out of my three children, all of which are girls (6,4,and1).

Three top things I think about.............1 My family, 2 whats coming next, and 3 how to live and learn from life in general.

I do not have the book yet either. I will have it before next Sunday and look forward to reading it with all of you.


Can't wait to start reading!

Mindy
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